Former Member 8 Years Ago Hi Liz - the story of Enterprise Estonia does make me wonder what the sticking point is that prevents similar approaches in the UK. It would be interesting as part of the Estonia experience to know if a) detailed data sharing agreements were required and b) was the software used built or off the shelf. Years ago I was involved in looking at data sharing for 'protected children' - the culture at that time was not 'yes, lets do it' but for valid (?) reasons there was a bit of resistance. Re the second point, for a current project we did an options appraisal and whilst building our own software would have given the best outcomes for customers and staff, again for valid (?) reasons this was turned down. So the point I would make is that when considering the POT (People/Organisation/Technology) implications of any project, Technology and People are rarely the main problem with delivering innovation - often it is the culture of the organisation (including risk averse, not challenging the established policies etc.) that is the problem. Changing cultures is often the key to enabling transformation 2 Reply as... Cancel Liz Copeland Former Member 8 Years Ago - Edited Hi Nick, I've just had a look through my notes, but don't think I wrote down whether it was off the shelf tech or not. I have a feeling they built it, but other KHub members who were there and remember might be able to advise. Re. data sharing, I think the key is the strong e-ID that everyone has. It's now simply part of the culture (as you point out, this is often the issue). I'm not sure what kind of agreements were required in the beginning, but the point was made that after they came out of the Soviet Union they were building a country from scratch, so didn't have all the potential trappings of legacy systems that we have here. Their general attitude to data sharing seemed very healthy and not risk averse, but perhaps this is partly to do with the fact that everyone sees the benefit of how well it all works. I imagine Socitm will be making the slides available soon, so they will provide a bit more info for you hopefully. Liz 1 Reply as... Cancel Former Member Liz Copeland 8 Years Ago Hi Nick, interesting article here from the day; http://diginomica.com/2016/04/22/estonia-an-example-of-whats-possible-in-digital-public-service-delivery/#.Vxt6k_FSM74.linkedin From what I can gather they formulated an entirely new legal framework based around data sharing, and then purely due to financial constraints were forced to use local SMEs to collaboratively build these systems and services. Also one couple of years back on the economist: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/07/economist-explains-21 1 Reply as... Cancel Former Member Former Member 8 Years Ago Hi Scott - thanks for the links an reinforces what I was thinking. Does make me think that if we took a step back and applied systemic thinking around the cost/benefit ("police are 50X more efficient", "the hospital can get you the right kind of blood and check for any medicine allergies"..) we should be saying " let's do it" as it does make sense but needs everyone (especially government) to see the opportunities. 2 Reply as... Cancel Liz Copeland Former Member 8 Years Ago Hi Nick, Socitm have just published the presentations from last week's conference. Anna's presentation can be found here: http://www.socitmspringconference.com/speaker-notes/anna-piperal-e-estonia-showroom-managing-director-foreign-investment-office-enterprise Cheers, Liz 1 Reply as... Cancel Former Member Liz Copeland 8 Years Ago Hi Liz - slick presentation but what would have been useful was more on lessons learnt (what were the obstacles, how they were overcome etc. etc.). Really exciting all the same! 0 Reply as... Cancel
Liz Copeland Former Member 8 Years Ago - Edited Hi Nick, I've just had a look through my notes, but don't think I wrote down whether it was off the shelf tech or not. I have a feeling they built it, but other KHub members who were there and remember might be able to advise. Re. data sharing, I think the key is the strong e-ID that everyone has. It's now simply part of the culture (as you point out, this is often the issue). I'm not sure what kind of agreements were required in the beginning, but the point was made that after they came out of the Soviet Union they were building a country from scratch, so didn't have all the potential trappings of legacy systems that we have here. Their general attitude to data sharing seemed very healthy and not risk averse, but perhaps this is partly to do with the fact that everyone sees the benefit of how well it all works. I imagine Socitm will be making the slides available soon, so they will provide a bit more info for you hopefully. Liz 1 Reply as... Cancel Former Member Liz Copeland 8 Years Ago Hi Nick, interesting article here from the day; http://diginomica.com/2016/04/22/estonia-an-example-of-whats-possible-in-digital-public-service-delivery/#.Vxt6k_FSM74.linkedin From what I can gather they formulated an entirely new legal framework based around data sharing, and then purely due to financial constraints were forced to use local SMEs to collaboratively build these systems and services. Also one couple of years back on the economist: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/07/economist-explains-21 1 Reply as... Cancel Former Member Former Member 8 Years Ago Hi Scott - thanks for the links an reinforces what I was thinking. Does make me think that if we took a step back and applied systemic thinking around the cost/benefit ("police are 50X more efficient", "the hospital can get you the right kind of blood and check for any medicine allergies"..) we should be saying " let's do it" as it does make sense but needs everyone (especially government) to see the opportunities. 2 Reply as... Cancel Liz Copeland Former Member 8 Years Ago Hi Nick, Socitm have just published the presentations from last week's conference. Anna's presentation can be found here: http://www.socitmspringconference.com/speaker-notes/anna-piperal-e-estonia-showroom-managing-director-foreign-investment-office-enterprise Cheers, Liz 1 Reply as... Cancel Former Member Liz Copeland 8 Years Ago Hi Liz - slick presentation but what would have been useful was more on lessons learnt (what were the obstacles, how they were overcome etc. etc.). Really exciting all the same! 0 Reply as... Cancel
Former Member Liz Copeland 8 Years Ago Hi Nick, interesting article here from the day; http://diginomica.com/2016/04/22/estonia-an-example-of-whats-possible-in-digital-public-service-delivery/#.Vxt6k_FSM74.linkedin From what I can gather they formulated an entirely new legal framework based around data sharing, and then purely due to financial constraints were forced to use local SMEs to collaboratively build these systems and services. Also one couple of years back on the economist: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/07/economist-explains-21 1 Reply as... Cancel Former Member Former Member 8 Years Ago Hi Scott - thanks for the links an reinforces what I was thinking. Does make me think that if we took a step back and applied systemic thinking around the cost/benefit ("police are 50X more efficient", "the hospital can get you the right kind of blood and check for any medicine allergies"..) we should be saying " let's do it" as it does make sense but needs everyone (especially government) to see the opportunities. 2 Reply as... Cancel Liz Copeland Former Member 8 Years Ago Hi Nick, Socitm have just published the presentations from last week's conference. Anna's presentation can be found here: http://www.socitmspringconference.com/speaker-notes/anna-piperal-e-estonia-showroom-managing-director-foreign-investment-office-enterprise Cheers, Liz 1 Reply as... Cancel Former Member Liz Copeland 8 Years Ago Hi Liz - slick presentation but what would have been useful was more on lessons learnt (what were the obstacles, how they were overcome etc. etc.). Really exciting all the same! 0 Reply as... Cancel
Former Member Former Member 8 Years Ago Hi Scott - thanks for the links an reinforces what I was thinking. Does make me think that if we took a step back and applied systemic thinking around the cost/benefit ("police are 50X more efficient", "the hospital can get you the right kind of blood and check for any medicine allergies"..) we should be saying " let's do it" as it does make sense but needs everyone (especially government) to see the opportunities. 2 Reply as... Cancel Liz Copeland Former Member 8 Years Ago Hi Nick, Socitm have just published the presentations from last week's conference. Anna's presentation can be found here: http://www.socitmspringconference.com/speaker-notes/anna-piperal-e-estonia-showroom-managing-director-foreign-investment-office-enterprise Cheers, Liz 1 Reply as... Cancel Former Member Liz Copeland 8 Years Ago Hi Liz - slick presentation but what would have been useful was more on lessons learnt (what were the obstacles, how they were overcome etc. etc.). Really exciting all the same! 0 Reply as... Cancel
Liz Copeland Former Member 8 Years Ago Hi Nick, Socitm have just published the presentations from last week's conference. Anna's presentation can be found here: http://www.socitmspringconference.com/speaker-notes/anna-piperal-e-estonia-showroom-managing-director-foreign-investment-office-enterprise Cheers, Liz 1 Reply as... Cancel Former Member Liz Copeland 8 Years Ago Hi Liz - slick presentation but what would have been useful was more on lessons learnt (what were the obstacles, how they were overcome etc. etc.). Really exciting all the same! 0 Reply as... Cancel
Former Member Liz Copeland 8 Years Ago Hi Liz - slick presentation but what would have been useful was more on lessons learnt (what were the obstacles, how they were overcome etc. etc.). Really exciting all the same! 0 Reply as... Cancel